Talk:Places

Cultural Center or Androgeo?
There seems to be an ongoing discussion on weather we should ask for the New Cultural Center or weather we should better stay at Androgeo. In order to avoid filling the mailing list with too much discussions, we can state our opinions here. I suggest we will make a final vote here also until Thursday evening, if we want to give up on the Cultural Center or not. Jann (talk) 22:56, 26 February 2013 (EET)

Gialitakis has spoken with the president of the new Culture Center and he said they'll have a final answer tomorrow. He also said the answer will be 99% possitive. If they say yes and they can guarantee everything will be working as expected, I suggest we go for it.. I'll call again tomorrow so that we can have the final answer and, if it's a yes, to arrange for a meeting with the president so we can talk about all needed details and to make sure the place will actually be up and running... If I can get that meeting tomorrow or the day after, who will come with me? Antonis


 * If the meeting is early (around 9) I can...
 * Please help me here though... hadn't we decided both on Sunday and on Monday morning that the Cultural Center can not be guaranteed? Because even if they say yes, we won't be sure they will manage to offer us all the things we want (tables, chairs, wifi, projector etc) while the major issue is that until the last moment they may say that the outside area is not clean so because of safety reasons they can not allow us in... another issue mention by Manolis and Giorgos is that the center might prove too big for our exhibition and it might be actually better to do it in Androgeo... Yesterday we were saying, while sitting on the cafe, that even if they answer yes we will deny politely by saying that we can not wait anymore and leave uncertainties... Manolis even suggested to make it final by asking them to move in and start preparing the exhibition this week! Again, I thought we had this discussion and we had decided, guys help me out here... am I wrong? am I right? Am I missing something??? Do we want to have the discussion again? If the meeting is tomorrow we need to know what we will tell them and what we should ask them! First of all we need to know what we want. I'm confused... and personally I don't want to have the same discussion again... so whatever you decide I'll support it. Dimitris


 * That's why I want to urge the meeting with the president... So we can have the opportunity to say that polite no if we see uncertainty. But if on the other hand after a thorough discussion we conclude that the place will be up and running properly, then it will probably be foolish to say no... I think it all depends on how much we can have a guarantee that the place will be functional... Aliendna


 * Antoni, who would take this decision and how, of how well did the meeting go and if the guarantees that they give us are good enough? From what I have understood we all have different levels of accepting guarantees especially from the municipality... I am afraid that what ever the president gives us by the time the team is notified... takes a decision Friday will be pasted, we will meet on Sunday and we will having again the same discussions... Dimitris


 * After discussing with the president we'll probably be able to judge if we can count on them or not. That's why we need to have a detailed discussion regarding everything that we'll need. Aliendna


 * Εχοντας καταλάβει κάτι λιγότερο απο τα μισά η άποψη μου είναι η εξής: Είτε πάρουμε το πολιτιστικό,είτε πάρουμε την ανδρόγεω μέχρι την Παρασκευή να έχουν ξεκαθαριστεί τα παρακάτω θέματα
 * Ωρες και μέρες λειτουργίας χώρων (οτι μας καλύπτει το ήδη υπάρχον πρόγραμμα)
 * Υλικοτεχνικός εξοπλισμός που προσφέρεται ανα περίπτωση (οτι μας καλύπτει τις εκδηλώσεις )
 * Ημερομηνία εισόδου στους χώρους για οργάνωση του στησίματος (κατα την γνώμη μου οποιαδήποτε ημερομηνία μετά την Παρασκευή ακυρώνει το μέρος)

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It seems very difficult to get a clear answer from anyone. And we need not only get a "Sure you can do it here!", but we need to know what place (which square meters of which rooms and corridors) from when (hour:minute) until when (hour:minute) exactly. We need a very convincing "Yes." from the Cultural Center tomorrow including the exact opening times and which rooms we can use from/until when, unless it is absolutely sure (I suggest asking the builders also!) that the place is ready and safe for the public. Otherwise we must spend all our efforts making sure what/where/when we can use the Androgeo - written black on white! We really need that written on paper, I think. We need the responsible person to give a statement. It can be an informal statement, even a hand-written: "Androgeo basement and corridors are available from aaaa-bbbb and the cafe from cccc-dddd ..." That's okay. But it must be a definite answer. ASAP Jann (talk) 22:56, 26 February 2013 (EET)


 * To analyze a bit more what Manolis has written:
 * Exhibition room we need it open from Monday till Friday from around 10-11 till at least 9-10 at night at least for Monday and Wednesday to do the screenings.
 * Talk/Workshops room we need it Friday 6-9, Saturday & Sunday from 10 till 10.
 * We need access to the Exhibition area the weekend (13,14) before the festival to set it up! and of course on monday after it to pick up everything!
 * Equipment
 * Projector, microphone and speakers for the area of the talks/workshops
 * Chairs (I would say at least 100) and around 10 tables for the talks and workshops room
 * Internet access
 * Tables, screen stands, projector and screen for the exhibition area
 * Dimitris

Meeting at Androgeo
In the following I will summarize, what we have achieved today (28Feb) at the Androgeo.

Short version

 * We do not know, if the New Cultural Center will be functional by the middle of April.
 * We can most probably use the basement of the Androgeo for the exhibition and we could also organize talks and screenings there, if necessary.
 * We can maybe get the Androgeo Café during the weekend.
 * We booked the Old Vegetable Market for Friday 19.2. from 17:00-21:00 and for Saturday and Sunday 20.-21.2. from 10:00-14:00 and from 17:00-21:00. (Antonis, Georgos, is that correct???)


 * Correct. We also said between us, that even in the Cafe at Androgeo, it is highly unlikely to get it for more than 8 hours open and that we should compact the schedule. We could do some parallel workshops downstairs at the pc lab and we could also do some things in the basement. Kiagiadakis (talk) 21:10, 28 February 2013 (EET)

Long version
Read on, if you want more details...

Androgeo Cafe
There is a dispute between the two persons in charge of the Androgeo: The question is whether the area of the Androgeo Café can be open to the public (and thus available for us during the festival) without any personnel of DEPTAI running the bar of the Androgeo Café, or if the Androgeo Café area can be open only if the the bar of the Androgeo Café is operating. Fortunately we received a very nice offer of one of the ladies who run the bar. She offered to be available at the weekend of the 19. - 21. to run the bar herself during "noon till evening". Anyhow, this still needs approval of the person in charge of the Androgeo Café on behalf of DEPTAI. Antonakis is fine, if we arrange with everybody else. We may have to pay extra to the lady that will keep the place open, since DEPTAI is most likely not going to pay her extra hours.
 * 1) The head of the Androgeo: Mr. Costas Mochianakis.
 * 2) The person in charge of operating of the Androgeo Café (which is operated by DEPTAI): Mr. Georgos Antonakis.

Antonis will go to the Androgeo again tomorrow (29Feb) to make an official application for the Androgeo Café and to get a statement for available hours of the bar of the Androgeo Café.

It is most probably impossible to sell food and drinks ourselves, due to the fact that there is a café and that we probably need a special license to sell to the public.

Basement of the Androgeo
While we were waiting for Mr. Costas Mochianakis to find time for us, we went down to the basement to see how we could organize the exhibition there. That's where we met his brother Mr. Georgos Mochianakis, who seems to be in charge of the basement. He said, that we could use the basement for the exhibition and even for screenings and talks during "morning, noon, and evening", according to his words. He showed us some photos of his effort to tidy up the place some time ago. Before that it was full of old files getting rotten and other useless stuff. Somebody has already deposited new (old) files in one corner. Mr. Georgos Mochianakis is planning to clean and renovate the area, maybe paint it. We mentioned, that we might be able to do some cleaning and painting ourselves before the festival. They will buy us, of course, whatever we need for this (paint, cleaning stuff).

Antonis will go to the Androgeo again tomorrow (29Feb) to get a statement for available hours of the basement, also.


 * Mr. Georgos Mochianakis also showed us the side entrance of the basement (at the stairs), which leads directly to the street. Decorated nicely, it could become a very nice entrance for the exhibition, if we like the idea. However, it is dirty and will need work which cannot be guaranteed to be done by them before easter. Kiagiadakis (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2013 (EET)

Equipment
Both brothers agreed to the plan to cover the windows with posters or banners and to fix the monitors to the metal bars around the doors.
 * Windows

There is a mobile projector available, not sure about a spare lamp. And there is a mobile white-screen (for a projector) available. The projector, which is screwed to the wall in the Andregeo Café has a broken lamp.
 * Projectors

There are sockets for Internet access available both in the Andregeo Café and in the basement, but today for example the Internet at the Andregeo Café was not working.
 * Internet

According to Mr. Georgos Mochianakis (in charge of the basement) the computer lab will be available as long as the basement will be available. We will have to discuss if and how we can install software on the PCs in the lab or use live CDs or pxe.
 * Computers

We still have to discuss about this.
 * Microphones / PA

There are one or two tables and about 100 chairs in the storage room, which are probably available.
 * Tables / chairs

That's it for today... Tomorrow we will hopefully have a final answer for at least the basement and we will have to decide what to choose. Jann (talk) 20:48, 28 February 2013 (EET)